Invocation

Legend of the Five Rings card from Coils of Madness

Card Type

Strategy

Gold Cost

0

Keywords

Kharmic

Card Text

(Limited, : Discard a Kharmic card from your hand to draw a card.)
Limited: Until your next turn begins, before each time a player gains Honor, reduce the gain by 1 unless he controls a Spirit.

Focus Value

3

Legality

A Brother's Destiny (Ivory Edition), Age of Conquest (Emperor)

Deck

Fate

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: Given the situation in this thread, I don't understand why the Rhetoric gain would not be reduced by Invocation. I thought Rhetoric created a new timing window of "before an honor gain/loss" for the player stealing the gain. This is why you can Rhetoric a Rhetoric. Also, this here directly references the creating of a new timing window for the redirected gain/loss in the instance of Hotei's Contentment increasing the gain. If Hotei's is able to increase the gain off of a redirected proclaim, shouldn't Invocation be able to reduce a redirected gain? Or is there something different between these situations that I'm overlooking.
  Thanks
  A: Because I misread the trigger on Invocation when answering. Read The... Card - it applies to the Rules Team too. Original answer corrected. Jon Palmer, "Invocation vs Rhetoric", 4 Jun 2013
• Q: Player A is playing Kitsune with at least one spirit out and one active Invocation in play.
  Player B is playing some clan that can run courtiers and rhetoric.
  Player A proclaims, which is promptly rhetoric'ed away.
  Now my question is, does the Invocation kick in and player b gains one less honor because of it? Or is the full honor gain just redirected and not technically gained?
  Rhetoric: Reaction: Before a player gains or loses Honor from an action's effects, bow your performing Courtier: Choose another player. If the Courtier's Chi is higher than or equal to the Honor gain or loss, the chosen player instead of the original player takes the gain or loss.
  Invocation: Limited: Until your next turn begins, before each time a player gains Honor, reduce the gain by 1 unless he controls a Spirit.
  Thanks muchly
  A: There is a new window for Invocation to trigger each time the player who is about to gain the honor changes. Therefore, in the situation above the gain will be reduced by 1 (and similar to the Hotei's Contentment situation, if it bounces back and forth, it will continue to be reduced). Jon Palmer, "Invocation vs Rhetoric", 3 Jun 2013