Tested Blade
Legend of the Five Rings card from The Coming Storm
Open in Oracle of the Void
- Card Type
- Item
- Force
- +2
- Chi
- +1
- Gold Cost
- 5
- Keywords
- Weapon, One-Handed, Sword
- Card Text
- Battle, w: Fear equal to this Personality's Chi that may target a Personality with Followers (Bow a target enemy Follower or Personality with Force equal to or lower than the Fear's strength).
- Focus Value
- 3
- Legality
- A Brother's Destiny (Ivory Edition), A Brother's Destiny (Twenty Festivals)
- Deck
- Fate
Printings
The Coming Storm
- Rarity
- Common
- Flavor Text
- "Look at that," the Scorpion said. "Lion blood matches my kimono perfectly."
- Artist
- Felipe Gaona
- Card Number
- 100
- Publisher
- Alderac Entertainment Group
Rules Q&A
- Q: Regarding this older ruling:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=108529&p=1426368&hilit=family+fear#p1426368
Ist this a Reversal or just a mistake?
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=113603
... or did I just miss the change in the comprehensive rules?
A: It's a mistake on my part, I'm correcting it. Jon Palmer, "RE: Kakita Ujirou & Tested Blade", 8 May 2015 - Q: Kakita Ujirou:
Tested Blade:
so if Ujirou has Tested Blade attached can you combine the fear effects so that you can target a dishonorable personality with followers and destroy it after it bows? is there a difference if you use Ujirou's action and interrupt with Tested Blade or Vice versa?
A: UPDATED: Attack effects come from the original ability used, but targeting requirements are a restriction on each ability. If you use Ujirou's ability and Interrupt with Tested Blade, it will destroy attachments and dishonorable Personalities, but may not target a Personality with followers. If you use Tested Blade's ability and Interrupt with Ujirou's, it may neither target a Personality with followers (as Ujirou's ability cannot do this), nor will it destroy attachments and dishonorable Personalities. Jon Palmer, "Kakita Ujirou & Tested Blade", 1 May 2015 - Q: I have read and understood this ruling about Shiho's attachments. It quotes this passage of the CR: If a Personality leaves play (for example, by being destroyed), all cards in the unit leave play in the same way.
Victorious Wave Men says: After this Follower is destroyed by another player's action or by battle resolution, put it in your hand.
Two questions about this card: 1) Is VWM's trait triggered if another player's action reduces its Personality's Chi to 0? The Chi-death rule says: If a Personality’s Chi is ever zero, destroy him immediately. I know the destruction is from the rulebook, but is it "by" the action? 2) Is VWM's trait triggered if another player's action destroys only its Personality? (for example a lethal duel, or Tested Blade + Okura Is Released, etc.) Same kind of uncertainty here: is the Follower destroyed "by" the action or the rulebook?
A: In both cases, the follower is being destroyed by the Rulebook. There's no transitive property in the quoted CR passage that moves the cause of destruction to the follower. Jon Palmer, "Victorious Wave Men and personality (not unit) destruction", 5 Mar 2015 - Q: If i use Daigotsu Takahide's unstoppable fear 3 can I interrrupt with tested blade to make the fear go through followers, or would I have to use tested blade first (but then the fear would not be unstoppable)?
A: When you combine attacks, the original and all Interrupting actions must each be able to target the desired target, as described on p47 of the Comprehensive Rules: The original attack effect may only target a card that it, as well as each of the combining actions, could target.
Daigotsu Takahide's ability cannot target a Personality with Followers, and Interrupting it with Tested Blade does not change that; if you use Tested Blade's ability for the battle action and Interrupt with Takahide's ability you may not target a Personality with Followers, as he or she would not be a valid target for Takahide's action. Alex Jones, "Unstoppable and Tested Blade", 18 Nov 2014 - Q: Following this topic : http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=108336&p=1427032&hilit=Oneiyara#p1427032
1/ What is the reason why "any attempt to combine this Fear with another Fear effect will fail"? Do you mean that it will be illegal to Interrupt with them because of the Good Faith Rule?
According to Combining rules (CR, p 45-46) the falling of the combined effect as a consequence of a target becoming illegal for this effect is not stated. There is only the obligation of a target which is legal for all combined attack effects :
2/ So what about theses situations, if Oneiyara's Battle is combined with other Fear effects?
Example 1 : You use a Oneiyara's duel action as a Battle action, and Interrupt with Tested Blade (attached to Oneiyara)'s : - if you win, the Oneiyara's duel action Fear effect will be increased by Oneiyara's chi - if you lose, ... Tested Blade's Fear effect is combined with Oneiyara's duel action Fear effect, but it can only target an "enemy Follower or Personality".
Example 2 : You use a Oneiyara's duel action as a Battle action [no Follower attached anywhere], and Interrupt with Reinforced Parangu (attached to Oneiyara)'s : - if you win, the Oneiyara's duel action Fear effect will be increased by Reinforced Parangu's Fear 2. - if you lose, ... Reinforced Parangu's Fear effect is combined with Oneiyara's duel action Fear effect, but it can only target an "enemy Follower, or Personality without Followers".
Example 3 : Same of 2, but this time Oneiyara has an attached Follower.
According to the above quoted part of CR, it seems to me that if Oneiyara lose the duel, he would still not be a legal target for his own Fear effect in any of these situations, because the target has to be legally a legal target for the combined Fear effect, and that Oneiyara is not an "enemy" personality.
Thank you for clarifications.
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[Tested Blade] Battle, w: Fear equal to this Personality's Chi that may target a Personality with Followers (Bow a target enemy Follower or Personality with Force equal to or lower than the Fear's strength).
[Reinforced Parangu] Battle: Fear 2 (Bow a target enemy Follower, or Personality without Followers, with 2 or lower Force).
A: 1. The effects will fail because in general, the effect you are attempting to combine with (Tested Blade) cannot target Oneiyara. Therefore, he will only be hit by the strength of his Fear effect, which can target him specifically.
2. Example 1 - if you win, the Fear will be combined with Tested Blade and may only target an enemy Personality. If you lose, the Fear may only target Oneiyara, so the combining will fail and only the duel action's Fear will hit Oneiyara.
Example 2 - Same. If you win, combine as normal; if you lose, do not combine when you target Oneiyara.
Example 3 - Whether you win or lose, the combining of the Fear effect will fail as the Personality is not a legal target for the combining effect. Jon Palmer, "Oneiyara vs personalities with followers", 19 Jul 2014 - Q: What exactly does Ascendance copy when you play it? It says fear effect that is a copy of a fear effect in your army, so does it pick up qualities like targeting through followers a la Tested Blade?
If so, what would happen if you tried to copy Oneiyara's fear? Would you end up with a fear equal to his force that can only target the loser, and as such not be able to target anything with it? Or does something else entirely happen?
A: Ascendence would copy all effects and restrictions of the Fear. So copying Tested Blade would produce Fear equal to the Personality's chi that goes through followers, and copying Oneiyara would produce a Fear effect that could only target the duel's loser - and Ascendance doesn't produce a duel, so there would be no legal targets. Jon Palmer, "Ascendance (also more Oneiyara...yay)", 19 Jun 2014