Victorious Wave Men

Legend of the Five Rings card from The New Order

Card Type

Follower

Force

2

Chi

0

Gold Cost

3

Keywords

Reserve, Mercenary, Ronin

Card Text

(You may Equip a Reserve attachment, if it would be opposed, as a Battle action.)
After this Follower is destroyed by another player's action or by battle resolution, put it in your hand.

Focus Value

3

Legality

A Brother's Destiny (Ivory Edition), A Brother's Destiny (Twenty Festivals)

Deck

Fate

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: It's my turn and i'm going to use Keppos ability and destroy enemy VWM. Is it possible to take control of this follower by Keppo's Interrupt?
  Victorious Wave Men After this Follower is destroyed by another player's action or by battle resolution, put it in your hand.
  Keppo exp. Interrupt, (GC): If the action Recruits Keppo or is his printed Battle action, after it resolves, Equip a target attachment from another player's discard pile to him.
  A: No.
  The delayed effect of Keppo's Interrupt triggers "after [the action] resolves." However, the trigger on Victorious Wave Men to return the card to its owner's hand is after its destruction - which is duing the action's resolution. Alex Jones, "Keppo and Victorious Wave Man", 18 May 2015
• Q: Regarding this: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=113083#p1465321
  Roger said there would be a final answer that week; it's been two since he posted. He said to play Diligent Care as the reminder text indicated, but what, if anything does that mean for Victorious Wave Men and non-unit "unit destruction" (Personality killed by a duel, attachments destroyed by rulebook)?
  If Diligent Care is to be played as the reminder text indicates, is this going to be a change to the wording of Diligent care itself, or a change to the way the rulebook destruction interacts with things that trigger on an action's destruction?
  A: Until Roger prepares a final answer, please continue to play Diligent Care as he as instructed. Do not extrapolate this to any other cards. Thanks! Jon Palmer, "Unit Destruction, Victorious Wave Men, Diligent Care", 1 May 2015
• Q: “For” wording only refers to a specifically named consequence of the effect, not to a consequence arising from a chain of contingent effects.
  Example: In the case above, if a dishonorable Personality is destroyed for losing a duel, and his controller loses Honor, this is not an Honor loss “for” losing the duel, but an Honor loss for dying.
  A: We will be discussing this and have a final answer this week; in the meantime, play the card as the reminder text indicates. Roger Giner-Sorolla, "Unit Destruction, Victorious Wave Men, Diligent Care", 14 Apr 2015
• Q: I have read and understood this ruling about Shiho's attachments. It quotes this passage of the CR: If a Personality leaves play (for example, by being destroyed), all cards in the unit leave play in the same way.
  Victorious Wave Men says: After this Follower is destroyed by another player's action or by battle resolution, put it in your hand.
  Two questions about this card: 1) Is VWM's trait triggered if another player's action reduces its Personality's Chi to 0? The Chi-death rule says: If a Personality’s Chi is ever zero, destroy him immediately. I know the destruction is from the rulebook, but is it "by" the action? 2) Is VWM's trait triggered if another player's action destroys only its Personality? (for example a lethal duel, or Tested Blade + Okura Is Released, etc.) Same kind of uncertainty here: is the Follower destroyed "by" the action or the rulebook?
  A: In both cases, the follower is being destroyed by the Rulebook. There's no transitive property in the quoted CR passage that moves the cause of destruction to the follower. Jon Palmer, "Victorious Wave Men and personality (not unit) destruction", 5 Mar 2015