Consideration

Legend of the Five Rings card from Forgotten Legacy

Card Type

Strategy

Gold Cost

0

Card Text

Open: Target your performing unbowed Tactician to give another of your target Personalities +3F. After the next time this turn another player's action targets him, negate its effects.

Focus Value

3

Legality

Age of Conquest (Emperor), Destroyer War (Celestial)

Deck

Fate

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: Question: I have two personalities in play, Matsu Tactitian & Matsu Spud. I play Consideration, with Matsu Spud as the target I then declare an attack and assign Matsu Tactitian & Matsu Spud to the same battlefield My opponent plays Hidden Defences, targeting Matsu Tactitian & Matsu Spud
  What Happens: A Neither Matsu Tactitian or Matsu Spud bow as the Consideration negates all the card effects after targeting. B Matsu Tactitian bows. Matsu Spud does not bow as the Consideration negates only the card effects targeting the "Considerationed" person.
  Does the ruling change if the two personalities are assigned to two different battlefields (Hidden Defences can still target "at any location")
  May thanks!
  Relevant card text:
  Consideration Open: Choose your performing unbowed Tactician and target another of your Personalities: Give the Personality +3F. After the next time this turn another player's action targets him, negate its effects.
  Hidden Defenses Battle: If you control no Personalities (in play), target one or two Personalities at any location: Bow them. Negate their straightening.
  A: What happens is scenario "A".
  "Negate its effects" means all of them; otherwise it would say, "negate its effects [upon the target]" or such. Brook Cunningham, "Consideration vs MultiTarget card eg Hidden Defences", 9 Sep 2012
• Q: In regards to this topic: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=99244
  Is there a reason that Shameful Rebuke doesn't follow the normal steps for resolving an action?
  The way I see it is that when Player A plays Shameful Rebuke the following would happen:
  Player A announces Shameful Rebuke There are no performers so Player A does not have to choose performers Then mandatory targets are chosen. Both Player A and Player B choose their targets. At this point, Player B's personality that was Consideration'd has been targetted and the entire effects of Shameful Rebuke are negated. Then costs are paid, but there are no gold costs or costs for the action Then Shameful Rebuke resolves, with all of its effects being negated.
  Since Consideration does not say "negate the effects on him" but instead says "negate the effects" it should negate all effects of the action? Or am I reading it wrong?
  If Consideration only blocks the effects on Player B's target, then how is it different for this ruling: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=98414&p=1298613&hilit=scandalous#p1298613 ?
  Relevant text: taken from rules.l5r.com
  Using abilities
  When a player takes an action, follow steps A through F in sequence.
  A. Announce the action B. Choose performers C. Required targeting D. Pay costs E. Action resolution F. Action ends
  A: The reason that Alex is correct above is that Shameful Rebuke's targeting does NOT happen in the "Required Targeting" step of taking an action.
  As of EE, all required targeting for said step is located in an action's contraints (if any), between its first colon and its second.
  The targeting of Shameful Rebuke, however, is not located there and is thus not done at that step. It occurs as part of the effects of the action, in the sequence Alex described. Brook Cunningham, "Shameful Rebuke v. Consideration", 9 Aug 2012
• Q: Consideration Open: Choose your performing unbowed Tactician and target another of your Personalities: Give the Personality +3F. After the next time this turn another player's action targets him, negate its effects.
  Shameful Rebuke Battle: In turn order, starting with you, each player targets and moves one of his Personalities at the current battlefield home. Then, choose a player who loses Honor equal to the number of Personalities this moved.
  I'm at an opposed battle. My opponent has one dude who has been the target of Consideration. I attempt to play Shameful Rebuke. What happens?
  a) All of the effects are negated. My personality and his personality remain at the battlefield. b) Does my personality go home and his stay at the battle? The Consideration target occurs after I target my personality, so theoretically he should go home.
  A: Firstly, the "target and move home" for each player is done as a pair. So, normally, you target and move home your Personality, then your opponent does the same. Then the honour loss occurs.
  Secondly, negation does not undo previous instantaneous effects, such as movement or honour losses (although it will suppress existing stat bonuses and penalties).
  So, the effective outcome of Shameful Rebuke in this situation will be, you target and move home your Personality, your opponent targets his Consideration'd Personality, whose movement home is negated. Then, the 1 point honour loss is negated. Alex Jones, "Shameful Rebuke v. Consideration", 9 Aug 2012
• Q: If I play Scandalous Rumors, and my opponent "targets" his own character whom he targeted with Consideration, does that trigger Consideration, negating all of the effects of Scandalous Rumors?
  A: Yes, that's how it works.
  Consideration doesn't care who does the targeting, only that the targeting is by/from "another player's action".
  Compare its wording to Armor of the Heavens. THAT one cares that "another player" does the targeting, so would NOT trigger from Scandalous Rumors or Mysterious Deaths.
  Both it and Consideration are worded as they are intended to function. Brook Cunningham, "Scandalous Rumors and Consideration", 10 Jun 2012
• Q: Consideration: Open: Choose your performing unbowed Tactician and another of your target Personalities: Give the Personality +3F. After the next time this turn another player's action targets him, negate its effects.
  Kalani's Landing: Reaction: After an action is announced, target a card (in play): Give it -2 Gold Cost
  Something that came up last night in playtest, and I just wanted to confirm we have ruled it correctly. My opponent uses Consideration to target one of his personalities. I declare an action (in this case it was an action to bow him) and then react with Kalani's landing to give him -2Gold cost. The Consideration negates the effect of the gold cost reduction but that effectively allows my bowing action to take effect without any issues.
  Our ruling was that as Kalani's landing reacts to the announcement of the action, before choosing targets, then the effect of Kalani's would be the one that gets negated as it was the next action targeting that personality.
  Are we correct?
  A: Looks correct. Alex Jones, "Consideration and Kalani's Landing", 9 Feb 2012
• Q: What happens when personality is targeted by two Consideration's:
  a) He has +6F and two negation effects, that are used up to negate effects one at a time, effectively fizzling two different actions ? b) He has +6F but only one effective negation effect, since both copies of Consideration trigger at "the next time" and are used up at the same moment?
  Relevant text:
  Thank you in advance.
  A: b).
  Each Consideration's delayed effect triggers "after the next time this turn another player's action targets him," and neither effect removes this trigger. This is different to, say, Kakita Kensho-in (Experienced), whose trait creates a delayed effect that scrubs its own trigger, so that other such effects have nothing to trigger them.
  See the following paragraph under Timing Sequence, which does apply to Kakita Kensho-in exp, but not to Consideration: The order of resolution means that triggered effects that come first, due to the above order, the order of Reactions, or the active player’s decision, can negate or otherwise make impossible triggered effects and Reactions that come later. When this happens, Reactions to the now nonexistent trigger may not be taken, and other effects are not triggered by it. Alex Jones, "Double Consideration", 26 Jan 2012
• Q: If I use Consideration on one of my personalities and then during battle my opponent plays Preserving Honor on him what would happen?
  A: Would he be removed from the game? B: Would he negate the whole action?
  Consideration: Open: Choose your performing unbowed Tactician and another of your target Personalities: Give the Personality +3F. After the next time this turn another player's action targets him, negate its effects.
  Preserving Honor: Battle: Target an enemy Personality at the current battlefield: His controller chooses either to bow him, or to choose another location and move him there. If the bowing or movement is negated, remove the Personality from the game.
  A: Removing the Personality from the game is also an effect of Preserving Honor, and therefore would also be negated by Consideration. Jon Palmer, "Consideration Vs Preserving Honor", 17 Jan 2012
• Q: I have a personality I have played consideration on (Akodo Bob) I declare an attack and assign Akodo Bob My opponent plays Heavily Engaged as his first action. What happens a The effects of Heavily Engaged on Akodo Bob are negated by Consideration b Akodo Bob bows as Heavily Engaged does not explicitly say target
  Many thanks
  Consideration Text Open: Choose your performing unbowed Tactician and another of your target Personalities: Give the Personality +3F. After the next time this turn another player's action targets him, negate its effects.
  Heavily Engaged Text Battle: Even if you control no units at the current battlefield: Each player targets an unbowed Personality he controls at the current battlefield, if possible. Bow all targets.
  A: Heavily Engaged actually DOES explicitly say "target".
  So, the answer is "a". Brook Cunningham, "Heavily Engaged vs Consideration", 6 Jan 2012
• Q: I had a question come up about the wording on Consideration.
  Card Text: Open: Choose your performing unbowed Tactician and another of your target Personalities: Give the Personality +3F. After the next time this turn another player's action targets him, negate its effects.
  Does the "him" in "After the next time this turn another player's action targets him" refer to the performing tactician or the personality that was given the force bonus?
  Thanks in advance.
  A: "Him" refers to the Personality who got the +3F (see here). Brook Cunningham, "Consideration", 27 Sep 2011