Daidoji Hachi

Legend of the Five Rings card from The War of Spirits

Card Type

Personality

Force

2

Chi

4

Honor Requirement

8

Gold Cost

5

Personal Honor

3

Clan

Crane

Keywords

Crane Clan, Gunso, Samurai

Card Text

Reaction: After Hachi wins a duel: Straighten your Stronghold.

Legality

Four Winds (Gold), Hidden Emperor (Jade)

Deck

Dynasty

Printings

Rulings

• Q: Gold Edition has a card called Yasuki Hachi who "counts as Daidoji Hachi for deck construction". Yet, Daidoji Hachi is, himself, a Gold-legal card. Was Yasuki Hachi supposed to be the "Soul of Daidoji Hachi", or is he the Most Recent Printing of Daidoji Hachi? A: Neither! They are two distinct cards and are both played as written in all tournament formats. Players using the Iron Fortress of the Daidoji Stronghold may use Daidoji Hachi to benefit from his Daidoji family name, even in Strict Gold games. Experienced versions of Daidoji and Yasuki Hachi may only be overlayed on top of identically-named less-Experienced cards. Legend of the Five Rings FAQ, May 21, 2003, p. 7

Rules Q&A

• Q: I seem to remember, right after gold was released, that if you used Daidoji Hachi from Spirit Wars, then the honor requirement was only 3 out of the Iron Fortress. Has that changed recently?
  I think that Sam got it wrong. Even the rules archive says that Yasuki hachi is distinct from Daidoji, and Daidoji Hachi has the Gold bug.
  A: Daidoji Hachi and Yasuki Hachi are both played as written in all tournament formats. Only Daidoji Hachi receives the benefits of the Iron Fortress Stronghold. Jeff Alexander, "post for 12 May 2003", 13 May 2003
• Q: To All, Sorry if this is a dead issue, but I never really thought much about it until someone brought it up. Can DAIDOJI Hachi be brought into play by a Crane player using the Iron Fortress of the Daidoji in a strict gold format tournament?
  A: Yes. Daidoji Hachi and Yasuki Hachi are distinct cards and are both played as written in both Open and Gold formats. Jeff Alexander, "post for 3 September 2002", 4 Sep 2002
• Q: 1. Yasuki Hachi (Gold Edition) - Is there a reason that his card says 'Counts as Daidoji Hachi for deck construction' rather than 'Soul of Daidoji Hachi'?
  A: Y. Hachi was not the "Soul of" D. Hachi because he was the same person, not someone one or two generations removed. Yet we did not want to MRP any changes onto any existing Personality cards purely for storyline reasons -- we did that at the start of the Jade arc and made a lot of people who didn't care about storyline games upset. You're seeing the best way we could work around both limitations. Jeff Alexander, "post for 5 April 2002 pt. 2", 8 Apr 2002
• Q: 12. Family Tactics (Name a family. Each personality in your army that is a member of that family gains +1F) - When using people that are Soul Of someone (For example, Yasuki Hachi / Daidoji Hachi mentioned earlier), are the names interchangeable since they are really the same person, or are the rules in Rokugan so strict that they only care for their current name?
  A: If you're playing in a Strict Gold Storyline tournament, your older Personalities are considered proxies of the "Soul of..." versions in Gold Edition/Dark Allies and are played by the exact text of the newer version, including new family name.
  In all other games, you play everyone by what's written on the card. Jeff Alexander, "post for 5 April 2002 pt. 2", 8 Apr 2002
• Q: Just a couple quick questions. We know that XP Yasuki Hachi (An Oni's Fury) can be overlayed over Yasuki Hachi (Gold Edition), and we know that Yasuki Hachi (Gold Edition) counts as Daidoji Hachi (Spirit Wars).
  A: They count against each other for deck construction. That's it. Jeff Alexander, "post for 1 March 2002", 2 Mar 2002
• Q: So can XP Yasuki Hachi (An Oni's Fury) be overlayed over Daidoji Hachi (Spirit Wars)?
  A: No. Jeff Alexander, "post for 1 March 2002", 2 Mar 2002
• Q: Hello all, I had a quick question about a crane personality. I just started playing again in gold and I am not sure what the rules are on the new and old stuff so I will just ask to see if its been addressed. Daidoji Hachi from the spirit wars has the gold legal mark but he is Yasuki Hachi in gold, all of his traits and costs are the same the name is the only change...and I was wondering...seeing it has the gold legal mark am I able to use the Daidoji version in gold legal as Daidoji not Yasuki?
  A: Yes.
  Yasuki Hachi is NOT a reprinting of Daidoji Hachi and is NOT the "Soul of Daidoji Hachi". They are two separate cards and both get played exactly as written in all tournament formats. Jeff Alexander, "post for 28 February 2002", 1 Mar 2002
• Q: Pretty sure I can't, but just to make sure: Can I use the older printing of Yasuki Hachi (Daidoji Hachi) and get the negative 5 honor requirement with the Iron Fortress of the Daidoji?
  I'm thinking that the new printing of "Yasuki" Hachi is MRP, so it wouldn't help...but thought I'd ask to confirm it.
  A: Yasuki Hachi is neither an MRP of Daidoji Hachi nor the "Soul of Daidoji Hachi". They are played as printed in all tournament formats. Jeff Alexander, "post for 29 October 2001", 30 Oct 2001
• Q: Can I use the older printing of Yasuki Hachi (Daidoji Hachi) and get the negative 5 honor requirement with the Iron Fortress of the Daidoji?
  A: Rules Archive, Yasuki Hachi: "Is distinct from Daidoji Hachi. (Card text)". Zen Faulkes, "Rules for 29 October 2001", 30 Oct 2001
• Q: 4. Can I play Daidoji Hachi as Daidoji Hachi or must I play him as Yasuki Hachi?
  A: Daidoji Hachi and Yasuki Hachi are both Gold-legal cards. The "Soul of..." proxy rule does not apply. You MUST play them as written. You may not have more than three Hachis in your deck, total, by the wording on Yasuki Hachi. Yasuki Hachi does not get the Honor Requirement reduction from the Iron Fortress. Jeff Alexander, "replies to 15-20 July", 26 Jul 2001
• Q: Ahm. Color me confused.
  Jeff,
  Why could we not use Daidoji Hachi who is Gold bugged in a Four Winds tournament?
  A: He is? Why does nobody tell me these things? Jeff Alexander, "replies to 15 June", 20 Jun 2001
• Q: << We could MRP it as Unique, but MRPing cards purely for storyline reasons has, in my opinion, caused more harm than good in the past, and it's something I've tried to avoid entirely in Gold Edition.
  If this is the case, can you explain Daidoji Hachi to me, please? Surely he was not *so* good with the Iron Fortress that he was MRP'd in order to balance him. After all, he made the Stronghold playable - but without him, the Iron Fortress appears to be a complete waste of cardboard. What happened?
  A: Daidoji Hachi wasn't MRPed. His "Soul of..." card is a new card. Text on it doesn't affect the original from which it was templated. This case isn't like Togashi Hoshi, who lost the Dragon Clan trait whether you played him in a Jade-legal deck or not. Jeff Alexander, "replies to 9 June (and one from 8)", 13 Jun 2001