Daidoji Murasaki

Legend of the Five Rings card from The Truest Test

Card Type

Personality

Force

3

Chi

3

Honor Requirement

0

Gold Cost

7

Personal Honor

2

Clan

Crane

Keywords

Crane Clan, Samurai, Scout

Card Text

Recon Open: Target a province: You have Reconnaissance at its battlefields. During battles at its battlefield, whenever you would destroy any of your Personalities as a cost, you may pay the cost by moving them home instead.

Legality

Age of Enlightenment (Lotus), Race for the Throne (Samurai)

Deck

Dynasty

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: In reference to Marty's answer to this question about Daidoji Murasaki, Greater Sacrifice and Bayushi Tsimaru.
  After the third step described in Marty's answer ("Tsimaru negates the movement"), is it really allowed to pay the cost by destroying the targeted unbowed Samurai Personality ?
  Indeed Murasaki's Recon's text uses 'instead' which makes me wonder whether such substitution of cost can be reversed : doesn't 'instead' imply that once this alternate optional cost is chosen, it substitutes itself for the original cost, which can no longer be chosen later ?
  According to "Glossary, Instead" and the second example of substitution here, doubt consumes me so I'd like a small piece of explanation please.
  Thanks in advance.
  A: The Rules Team will have a little discussion about this.
  I do not believe the distinction between the two substitution examples accurately reflect the current templates on alternative cost-payment options. In particular, I can't find any Samurai-legal cards are printed with the phrasing closer to Example #1 than Example #2. This would make the alternative payment clauses in the costs section of the rulebook largely moot outside of Gold Production in practice. Martin Lund, "Daidoji Murasaki+Greater Sacrifice vs Bayushi Tsimaru", 21 Feb 2008
• Q: As it seems that my question wasn't clear enought I will rewrite it. These are the cards involved
  Daidoji Murasaki Recon Open: Target a province. During battles at its battlefield, whenever you would destroy any of your Personalities as a cost, you may pay the cost by moving them home instead.
  Greater Sacrifice Battle: Destroy one of your target unbowed Samurai Personalities: Destroy a target unit opposing him with total Force less than or equal to your Samurai's total unit Force, plus his Personal Honor if your Family Honor is higher than its starting value.
  Bayushi Tsimaru Reaction: Twice per turn, before a unit moves: Negate the movement.
  Now the situation. I targe a province with Daidoji Murasaki as an open action. After that a attack is declared both players assing Personalitys there. I assing 3 Samurais and it my first action, I play Grater Sacrifice. Due my Recon Open I don't destroy my Samurai and try to pay the cost by moving him home. But there is a Bayushi Tsimaru on my opponents side and he reacts and negates the movement. Now that is the Problem, what to do now.
  Referring to this topic: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=60461&p=773636&hilit=stay+your+blade+tsimaru#p773636 The movent is negated and the action is canceled.
  Referring to the Comprehensive Rules: If any specific payment of a cost is negated, delayed, or made impossible in the process of paying costs, the player paying the costs may use alternate available sources to pay that cost, or may choose not to pay the cost.
  However, if the cost was a change to the state of something in the game, and the change was negated, delayed or made impossible, the same change to the same card may not then be used as an alternate payment. [ADDED Oct 22 2007] I would try to pay the cost by a alternate source, so one of my other Samurais at the battlefield.
  So what is the right way?
  Edit: Thanks for move it here. Wasn't shure if I can post it here.
  A: 1.) Target one of your unbowed Samurai Personalities 2.) Attempt to pay the cost by sending him home, thanks to Daidoji Murasaki's ability 3.) Tsimaru negates the movement, causing the cost to not be successfully paid
  Now you can either choose to:
  A.) let the action fail
  OR
  B.) pay the cost by destroying the unbowed Samurai Personality you targeted
  But you may not choose to attempt to send the target home again, nor can you attempt to pay the cost by sending home or destroying any Personality other than the original target. Martin Lund, "Daidoji Murasaki+Greater Sacrifice vs Bayushi Tsimaru", 20 Feb 2008
• Q: Is it possible to cancle the action by negating the movement?
  A: Which action?
  If movement is a cost, preventing movement will prevent effects. If it isn't, it won't, because effects are independent. Zen Faulkes, "Daidoji Murasaki+Greater Sacrifice vs Bayushi Tsimaru", 17 Feb 2008
• Q: Ideal Conditions reads:
  The SE Preview Rulebook, p. 29 reads:
  Now, assume I have a bowed Daidoji Murasaki located at a battlefield that is not the current one and a battle is currently going on at another of my Provinces targeted with a Recon Open action.
  Would I be able to move Daidoji Murasaki into the battle and straighten her because the ability is printed on an unbowed Event card, or would I be unable to as the event appears to give the ability to an (in this case bowed) Scout card in a unit?
  Thanks in advance.
  A: The event provides an ability to cards that meet its condition. The event itself does not have an ability. If a card granted this ability is bowed, it will not be able to use the ability. Chris Fuchs, "Ideal Conditions: can I move in a bowed Scout?", 28 Jun 2007