Disgrace
Legend of the Five Rings card from Emperor Edition
Open in Oracle of the Void
- Card Type
- Event
- Keywords
- Unique
- Card Text
- After you reveal cards in your Provinces at the start of your turn, if this Event is face-up in one of them, until your turn two turns from now begins, other players may not target your Personalities with Limited actions.
- Legality
- Age of Conquest (Emperor)
- Deck
- Dynasty
Printings
Emperor Edition
- Rarity
- Rare
- Flavor Text
- "Your actions have brought shame to your entire family. Others will shoulder a share of your burden until such time as your disgrace can be forgotten."
- Artist
- Grzegorz Pedrycz
- Card Number
- 17
- Publisher
- Alderac Entertainment Group
Rules Q&A
- Q: Two questions:
1.) If my opponent has a resolved Disgrace active, I am unable to play Plans Within Plans during his action phase and use a limited action (say Ambush), targeting one of his personalities, correct?
and....
2.) If the answer to 1 is no (as I believe it is), how does that follow from this ruling? Would it be because Plans says you may take a limited action, whereas Beyond the Line has you using a limited/open ability as another type of action? Or am I completely off-base and Plans will let you get around an active Disgrace
A: 1) No, Plans Within Plans will not let you get around Disgrace with an Ambush on your opponent's turn.
2) Exactly for the reasons you seem to be thinking. PwP doesn't turn "Ambush" into an "Open" action, but an action with two designators is only considered to be ONE of those types, based upon when it is taken. Brook Cunningham, "Plans Within Plans & Disgrace", 27 Apr 2013 - Q: In reference to this ruling: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=102536
Question 1: If a player has a personality face-up can I discard it with Shosuro Hawado if Disgrace is in affect? (based on the reference ruling it looks like this is a NO). Question 2: If I target a face-down card and it is revealed to be a personality, what happens (and why)? Question 3: If a player has a personality face-down (known to me because of Otoro Estate) can I in good faith discard it with Shosuro Hawado if Disgrace is in affect?
[Edit: 11:23 - Okay I'm an idiot - Fixed]
A: If I target a face-down card and it is revealed to be a personality, what happens (and why)? Until it is turned face up, it is assumed by game state to be nothing more than a face-down Dynasty card, and may be freely targeted by Shosuro Hawado Exp 2's action. After it has been targeted, there's no way to stop the effect of the action without some effect that explicitly negates or otherwise prevents it.
If a player has a personality face-down (known to me because of Otoro Estate) can I in good faith discard it with Shosuro Hawado if Disgrace is in affect? You might know what the card is, but game state does not. You are free to target it. Alex Jones, "Disgrace and cards not in play", 26 Mar 2013 - Q: Does Disgrace prevent the targeting of Personalities in the discard pile by Shosuro Hawado or those in Provinces by Shosuro Hawado XP2?
A: Disgrace adds a restriction to your opponents' actions, it does not create an effect on your Personalities. Thus, your Personalities out of play may not be targeted as well as those in play. Alex Jones, "Disgrace and cards not in play", 25 Mar 2013