Hachiwari

Legend of the Five Rings card from Samurai Edition, Rise of the Shogun, Glory of the Empire, Promotional–Samurai

Card Type

Item

Force

+3

Chi

+1

Gold Cost

4

Keywords

Weapon

Card Text

As a Focus Effect: After this duel ends, you may target your Personality in the duel if he is still in play, or any other of your Personalities if he is not, and attach this card to the target, ignoring its Gold Cost.

Focus Value

3

Legality

Age of Enlightenment (Lotus), Race for the Throne (Samurai)

Deck

Fate

Printings

Rulings

• Erratum: Reads, "Hachiwari +3F/+1C4G 3FV Weapon. Focus Effect: After this duel resolves, you may target your Personality in the duel if he is still in play, or any other of your Personalities if he is not. Attach this card to the target, waiving its Gold Cost." [MRP, Samurai Edition, 25 July 2007] Comprehensive Rules, Samurai Edition, with specific card rulings, final version, May 2009, p. 137

Rules Q&A

• Q: So it falls to who is active player to know what effect will be first, am I correct?
  A: Well, the Triumph of Courage effect might be activated at the same time, but it can't remove anything from the game until it would be discarded. Hachiwari says, "After this duel resolves, you may target your Personality in the duel if he is still in play, or any other of your Personalities if he is not. Attach this card to the target, waiving its Gold Cost."
  So Hachiwari will alway have the opportunity to attach before any Focused Cards are normally discarded. Martin Lund, "Triumph of Courage and Hachiwari", 7 Mar 2008
• Q: 2 - Also, what happen when the duel does not resolve? Both cards trait look after Duel resolution, so in a duel without resolution neither the cards are removed from the game (Triumph of Courage) nor you can attach Hachiwari (the effect fail to resolve as there is no "after resolution" because there is no resolution) Am I also correct there?
  A: Yes, "after this duel resolves," effects would not trigger since the duel ended without resolution. Martin Lund, "Triumph of Courage and Hachiwari", 7 Mar 2008
• Q: 3 - And last, regarding this (CR again): If a duel ends without resolution, the procedures in this step are still carried out before the duel ends.
  A: I'll clean up this "before the duel ends" phrasing. Martin Lund, "Triumph of Courage and Hachiwari", 7 Mar 2008
• Q: J: Duel resolution, and the duel, now end. In order:
  Discard all focused cards. End any changes to their Focus Value. Each player puts any cards remaining in his or her focus pool at the bottom of his or her Fate deck in any order.
  A: Citation Martin Lund, "Triumph of Courage, Hachiwari and Duel resolution", 6 Mar 2008
• Q: I have a doubt concerning how this two cards can interact :
  Relevant texts : Triumph of Courage : Focus Effect: You may switch one of your focused cards with a card in your Fate discard pile. After this duel resolves, your focused cards are removed from the game instead of discarded.
  Hachiwari : Focus Effect: After this duel resolves, you may target your Personality in the duel if he is still in play, or any other of your Personalities if he is not. Attach this card to the target, waiving its Gold Cost.
  rules.l5r.com, about duels : J: Discard all focused cards. End any changes to their Focus Value. Each player puts any cards remaining in his or her focus pool at the bottom of his or her Fate deck in any order. Duel resolution, and the duel, now end.
  First question : If the discarded cards goes to the discard pile, then the duel resolve, how can Triumph of Courage "removal from the game" can be an "instead" effect?
  Second question : If step J is right, then what happens to Hachiwari when it is focused (via Text of Courage or just focused)? Because, Hachiwari goes to the discard pile (step J of Duels step by step), then tries to attach (looks like it tries to attach from the discard pile) and at the same time is "removed from the game intead of being discarded" due to Triumph of Courage. Does it fall down to who is active player due to effect timing conflict?
  Thanks
  A: We are actually hashing this one out in Junta now, so I hope to get your a result soon.
  Sit tight. Martin Lund, "Triumph of Courage, Hachiwari and Duel resolution", 3 Mar 2008