Hunting Tiger

Legend of the Five Rings card from Promotional–Gold, Three Dynasties

Card Type

Follower

Force

3

Chi

0

Honor Requirement

3

Gold Cost

8

Personal Honor

-

Keywords

Unique, Nonhuman, Tiger

Card Text

While this card is at the current battlefield and unbowed, taking a Battle action has the additional cost, "Discard a card" for other players.
Fear Battle: Fear 3.

Focus Value

4

Legality

Four Winds (Gold), Three Dynasties

Deck

Fate

Printings

Rulings

• If an action allows another action to be played as part of its effect (e.g., Superior Strategist), the imposed cost must be paid for each action. [Reversal, JA, 14 June 2002] Rules Archive, August 18, 2007, p. 44

Rules Q&A

• Q: The way I thought the SH works, was kinda like Hunting Tiger does.
  A: It USED to. That changed in Diamond. The Most Recent Printing makes the discard an effect of targeting rather than an additional cost. Jeff Alexander, "rules for 10 Feb. 2004", 11 Feb 2004
• Q: Does this [Razor's Edge Dojo] work the same with Hunting Tiger?
  A: Again, repeating Jeff's answer: Currently, the two are both worded as costs, and work the same. This won't be true in Diamond, because Razor's Edge Dojo is changing. Zen Faulkes, "Rules for 19 August 2003, Part 2", 20 Aug 2003
• Q: c) If I play Mushin and then play two battle actions, do I only have to discard one card to the Hunting Tiger (for all three actions, as the last two are part of Mushin)?
  A: You would need to discard for all three. Jeff Alexander, "post for 11 June 2002", 12 Jun 2002
• Q: Hi Jeff,
  I was looking at your post for Friday and I'm a little confused over your ruling on Hunting Tiger & Superior Strategist. Hunting Tiger reads: During any battle while Hunting Tiger is present and unbowed, other players must discard a card from their hand as an additional cost to perform a Battle or Open action. Superior Strategist reads: Battle: Target one of your Personalities with the Tactician trait in this battle who has not used the trait during this battle. Get an Open or Battle Action card from your Fate deck and play the card. This is considered the target's use of the Tactician trait for this battle. Shuffle the deck. In the example presented the player played Superior Strategist to get a Test of Might and you indicated that he only needed to discard one card. The way I read the situation is as follows: Superior Strategist is a battle action meaning that to play it while facing the Hunting Tiger the player must discard a card. Test of Might is also a battle action and I would think that the player would need to discard a second card to play the Test of Might given that Superior Strategist doesn't specifically state that you ignore the costs associated with the action that you fetch (and the Tiger is adding an additional COST to all Battle and Open actions for the battle that it's in).
  A: Playing the retrieved card is not a new and separate action, so it doesn't pick up the extra cost. Jeff Alexander, "post for 10 June 2002", 11 Jun 2002
• Q: So we're having a debate about Superior Strategist and Hunting Tiger. If I'm in battle against the Hunting Tiger and use Superior Strategist to get, say Test of Might. Do I have to discard one or two cards?
  One.
  How about this situation: if someone has 3 Ashigaru Spearman in one unit, and they want to combine to shoot the Hunting Tiger, does the controller have to discard one or three cards?
  A: It's one action. It will cost one card. Jeff Alexander, "post for 10 June 2002", 11 Jun 2002
• Q: So we're having a debate about Superior Strategist and Hunting Tiger. If I'm in battle against the Hunting Tiger and use Superior Strategist to get, say Test of Might. Do I have to discard one or two cards?
  A: One. Jeff Alexander, "post for 7 June 2002", 8 Jun 2002
• Q: P.S. I noticed the pack-in promo doesn't say "N of 7" like the APC promo Hunting Tiger did. When will those other cards come out?
  A: We don't like giving that sort of information out beforehand. Jeff Alexander, "post for 14 December 2001", 15 Dec 2001
• Q: Akasha and the Hunting Tiger become legal when APC does, which is October 4th (hey, that's TODAY!). None of the others have been formally released yet, so it's hard to say. Any released before An Oni's Fury will become legal when it does.
  Is this a reversal, Jeff? I have an e-mail stating that Akasha becomes legal >with An Oni's Fury. (Of course, considering the tournament I play in tommorow, >I'm probably the only one who had a chance to play in a Season before, so I'm >not playing her, but it does make a difference.)
  A: Ray Lau tells me the official release date of A Perfect Cut was September 4th, and I have it from Dave Lapore that Season of the Unicorn kits began delivery in late August. That means Akasha was formally released before A Perfect Cut was. She should be legal when it is. Jeff Alexander, "post for 5 October 2001", 6 Oct 2001
• Q: [3D] A question about Gates of Persistence, Kuni Doru and Hunting Tiger: If I have all three in play plus a Hero, how many cards does my opponent have to discard when he targets my Hero with a battle action (assuming I use Doru's reaction and he is in the battle)? And if the Hero is Toranosuke, what happens if I use his reaction?
  A: Action Steps:
  1. Announce 2. Pay Costs 3. Choose Targets 4. Resolve Action (Targeting chosen during Step 2 actually "happens" now, for the purpose of Reacting or Triggering effects that React or Trigger from "targeting".)
  So, during "2", Hunting Tiger forces the payment of "Discard a card" in addition to any other costs. If that known upcoming cost could not be paid, (because their hand was/will be empty at this point), the action was not legal to announce in the first place.
  During "3" the action's target is chosen. Assuming it's a Crab Clan Hero and the non-Gates player has no Reactions, you can choose to React with Doru and/or Toranosuke. It doesn't really matter what order you do them in; Doru Forces the discard and negates the action if none happens, so the opponent doesn't really get a choice. They're going to discard and only if their hand is empty will Doru ever negate anything. Toranosuke's Reaction will negate all the action's effects, regardless of if they discard or not, but if they had an empty hand at the point you Reacted with Doru, it's already being negated so there's no reason to use it with Doru.
  During "4", the action actually "targets" the Personality that was chosen in Step 3 and resolves its effects. If you used Toranosuke (or Doru when their hand was empty), the effects won't happen, but the chosen targeting still happens. It's at this point that Gates triggers and forces them to discard a 3rd card, if they have any. But if they don't, nothing changes.
  (Replying to a player: "Also, a follow up: If I have two copies of Doru in play, is it legal to use both to force the discard of an additional card?") Yep. Ouch. Brook Cunningham, "Onyx Lives #rules-questions", 19 Oct 2026