Kakita Kaisei

Legend of the Five Rings card from Rise of the Shogun

Card Type

Personality

Force

2

Chi

4

Honor Requirement

6

Gold Cost

7

Personal Honor

3

Clan

Crane

Keywords

Duelist, Courtier, Crane Clan, Magistrate, Samurai

Card Text

Reaction: After Kaisei issues a challenge, target a Personality controlled by the same player as the challenged Personality: Refusing the challenge has the additional cost of dishonoring the target (if it already has the cost of dishonoring that target, the challenge may not be refused).

Legality

Age of Enlightenment (Lotus)

Deck

Dynasty

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: Is there a ruling anywhere which defines what the word "penalty" is referring to? Apparently it merely refers to effects of the refusal, however within grammatical terms, wouldn't adding a cost onto the refusal also count as a "penalty"?
  A: No to both questions.
  In regards to the second:
  http://rules.l5r.com/Older_Card_Rulings_K#Kuro_Sensei
  In regards to the first:
  I'll have to see how often "penalty for refusal" was used back in the day, and maybe write up a definition for the Legacy glossary. Brook Cunningham, "Enlightened Tutor, Kakita Kaisei (Costs to refuse)", 4 Apr 2009
• Q: Can a personality with enlightened tutor refuse a challenge even if it cannot (or chooses not to) pay the cost of refusing (i.e. tagetting a dishonored personality with kaisei's ability)?
  A: No. Brook Cunningham, "Enlightened Tutor, Kakita Kaisei (Costs to refuse)", 2 Apr 2009
• Q: Enlightened Tutor This Personality may refuse any challenges without penalty while this Follower is attached, including Challenges that may not be refused.
  A: Enlightened Tutor is cumbersomely doing two things here. It is causing the failure of any penalties associated with refusal of any challenges, and it is also allowing the refusal of challenges that are unrefusable (also, read: "may not be refused" or that don't say they may be refused).
  In neither case is it allowing you to ignore any costs for -- or conditions upon -- refusing. Brook Cunningham, "Enlightened Tutor, Kakita Kaisei (Costs to refuse)", 2 Apr 2009
• Q: If my opponent, who controls Kuro Sensei, has a dishonored personality and Kakita Kaisei issues and unrefusable challenge to one of his personalities and I use Kaisei's reaction targeting the dishonored personality, can the challenge be refused (by Kuro Sensei's text) or does Kaisei's ability make my opponent unable to pay the additional cost of refusing thus making my opponent's personality unable to refuse the challenge?
  A: In general, Kuro Sensei will not waive a cost of refusal. Which means, in your specific example, an already dishonorable Personality will not be able to pay the cost of refusing Kaisei's challenge.
  "Normally unrefusable" challenges (per Kuro Sensei's text) are ones that are either explicitly unrefusable in the case of pre-SE-legal duels, or ones that do not explicitly say they may be refused in the case of SE-legal and later duels. Kuro Sensei will not analyze the situation at hand to see if you can refuse or not, and then allow you to do so regardless. Brook Cunningham, "Kuro Sensei, Kakita Kaisei", 5 Mar 2009
• Q: Kakita Kaisei Crane Clan Samurai • Courtier • Duelist • Magistrate Reaction: After Kaisei issues a challenge: Target a Personality controlled by the challenged player. Refusing the challenge has the additional cost of Dishonoring the target. (If it already has the cost of Dishonoring that target, the challenge may not be refused.)
  Impromptu Duel Iaijutsu Limited: Target one of your unbowed Samurai or Duelist Personalities: He challenges another player’s target Personality. The other plaer may refuse; if he does, dishonor his Personality and gain 4 Honor. Destroy the duel’s loser. The winner gains 2 Honor.
  How does Kakita Kaisei work with Impromptu Duel?
  It looks like dishonoring is an effect of refusing...
  A: I assume you're referring to Impromptu Duel in your last sentence quoted above, and that's correct. If you use Kaisei's Reaction to him issuing Impromptu Duel's challenge, an honorable Personality could pay the cost to refuse. Impromptu would then try to dishonor him as an effect for refusing, which would just fizzle if he is already dishonorable from paying the cost to refuse that Kaisei added. Brook Cunningham, "Kakita Kaisei + Dishonoring as a cost", 29 May 2008
• Q: ...but I can't seem to find any duels that have dishonoring as a cost, what card(s) is the "(If it already has the cost of Dishonoring that target, the challenge may not be refused.)" text refering to?
  A: Kaneka's Conflict, from the previous set. Brook Cunningham, "Kakita Kaisei + Dishonoring as a cost", 29 May 2008