Kakita Kensho-in

Legend of the Five Rings card from Path of the Destroyer

Card Type

Personality

Force

4

Chi

4

Honor Requirement

4

Gold Cost

8

Personal Honor

4

Clan

Crane

Keywords

Duelist, Unique, Artisan, Crane Clan, Experienced, Obsidian, Samurai

Card Text

After Kensho-in wins a duel, before the next time this turn another player's action bows, moves, or destroys her, negate that effect.

Legality

Destroyer War (Celestial)

Deck

Dynasty

Story

2008 World Champion - Kamil Magda

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: Zen's response in this thread confuses me: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=89300
  Zen said that the new rule (found in this thread viewtopic.php?f=59&t=87123), applies only to simultaneous triggers, not to simultaneous effects keying off one trigger.
  However, I think that the new ruling is SOLELY about simultaneous effects keying off one trigger, and exactly the situation described with Kakita Kensho-In xp.
  In the Faint Praise v. Kakita Okirou thread, the situation was both Kakita Okirou's effect and Faint Praises's effect both triggering off the same singular event, an honor gain. So, two effects are waiting to trigger. 1) "Before the next time this turn a player gains Honor during his Dynasty Phase or from one of his own actions, he loses that amount of Honor instead of gaining it." 2) "Before the next time this turn a target player gains or loses Honor, reduce the loss or gain by the Focus Value of the discarded card." The new ruling states that when one event triggers both things, the AP gets to choose which one to apply first, and then, after the first is applied, the game checks again to see if the trigger condition is still around, and if not, the other effect remains un-triggered. So, if Okirou is applied first, lowering the honor gain to 0, there is nothing for Faint Praise to trigger off of, and it remains untriggered.
  Now let's look at the Kakita Kensho-in xp question, which I think is an exact parallel to the above situation, and I fail to see where situations are different. In Kakita Kensho-in's situation, Kensho-in wins two duels. Each creates an effect from her trait and are waiting to trigger. 1) "Before the next time this turn another player's action bows, moves, or destroys her, negate that effect." 2) "Before the next time this turn another player's action bows, moves, or destroys her, negate that effect."
  According to the new ruling, when my opponent plays an effect that will bow Kensho-In, the AP chooses which of those two effects to apply first. AP applies effect #1 first, negating the bowing of Kensho-in. Now, there is nothing for effect #2 to trigger off of, causing it to remain un-triggered, waiting for the next bow, movement, or negation to trigger it.
  I fail to see how the two situations are not parallel, and I fail to see how the ruling does not apply to simultaneous effects off of one trigger.
  A: Zen is mistaken. The change in the rules affects simultaneous effects from one trigger.
  If Kakita Kensho-in experienced has won two duels (and neither delayed effect has been "used" yet), Superior Mobility will neither move nor destroy her. Alex Jones, "New ruling on timings and Kakita Kensho-In XP", 7 Mar 2011
• Q: KAkita kensho-in wins 2 duels in the action phase. She is then targeted by a supperior mobility in battle, at the same turn. Does she deny both movement and destruction, or will she be destroyed becouse of her trait trying to negate the movement twice?
  A: Destroyed.
  The new ruling is about multiple simultaneous triggers. You're asking not about simultaneous triggers, but simultaneous effects in response to one trigger. Nothing there has changed.
  Reminder: When referring to old rulings, please link to them. I'm guessing you mean these:
  viewtopic.php?f=59&t=79421 viewtopic.php?f=59&t=84055
  This has been today's: Zen Faulkes, "New ruling on timings and Kakita Kensho-In XP", 5 Mar 2011
• Q: Let's say that I am playing Crane & Unfortunate Incident was used on me bringing me down to 2 honor and causing me to be able to ignore honor requirements when bringing Personalities into play.
  What amount of gold do I have to pay to gain the honor from Kakita Kensho-in (experienced) entering play during my dynasty phase?
  A: You would have to pay her base cost of 8 Gold.
  Though the option to pay two more Gold to ignore a Personality's Honor Requirement and the option to pay two less Gold in lieu of the Honor gain may both be taken during the Dynasty Phase, they are independent of one another. Even though you are already ignoring her Honor requirement via another effect, that has no bearing on taking the two-Gold discount or not to gain her Honor. Brook Cunningham, "ignoring honor requirements & dynasty honor gains", 25 Dec 2010
• Q: The Trap is Sprung states "bow a target enemy card. Bow its unit if you are a Crane Clan player". Let's say that I am a Crane player and am targeting a Kakita Kensho-in who has won a duel this turn with Trap is Sprung. Kensho-in could negate the "bow a target enemy card" but would still get bowed by the "bow its unit if you are a Crane Clan player" part of the Trap is Sprung card, correct?
  A: Yes.
  Bowing the target card and bowing the target card's unit are two separate bow effects, and Kakita Kensho-in will only negate one bow effect. Alex Jones, "The Trap is Sprung & Kakita Kensho-in", 6 Jun 2010