Luring Tactics

Legend of the Five Rings card from Diamond Edition, The War of Spirits, Training Grounds

Card Type

Strategy

Gold Cost

0

Keywords

Tactical

Card Text

Battle: Choose your performing Tactician at the current battlefield and target a Personality opposing him: Move them to an adjacent battlefield.

Focus Value

4

Legality

Four Winds (Gold), Hidden Emperor (Jade), Rain of Blood (Diamond)

Deck

Fate

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: 2. My opponent attacks my provinces A and B with a Yogo Soto on each province. During battle at province A, he uses Soto's ability to switch location with the other Soto. As a reaction, he bows his stronghold and uses the Right Hand's ability on the Soto who's leaving prov A, trying to keep both Soto's in province A.
  What happens?
  a) Both Soto's end in province A. b) the move is simultaneous, which means canceling it will cancel the whole thing, each of the Soto's will stay in its province. c) Nakata, get off my list.
  From the archive, B. Only the correct term here is "negate". The Right Hand does not cancel anything.
  My apologies but I'm confused. On the 18th or 19th you rules on Luring Tactics:
  Luring Tactics Tactical Battle: Move the performing Tactician you control and an opposing Personality from the current battle to an adjacent one.
  [my question] If you cancel or negate the movement of a Lion personality performing the action, does it cancel or negate the movement of the opposing Personality targeted?
  [your answer] "No. [DE p. 72] "
  How is the Yogo Soto movement any different when it is negated?
  A: Luring Tactics is two separate movements. Soto is "switching", which is also two movements but they're not entirely separate. Unless both movements happen, there is no "switch", so if one movement is stopped, the entire switch effect is stopped. Jeff Alexander, "rules for 1 March 2004", 2 Mar 2004
• Q: I'm assuming that when you referred me to pg. 72 for the Luring Tactics ruling, you specifically meant the last paragraph of the Canceling Actions and Negating Effects which reads:
  "If a card or action is canceled after it has already produced some effects, do not undo those effects."
  A: No. I'm referring to the rule that preventing only one effect does not stop the others. Jeff Alexander, "rules for 1 March 2004", 2 Mar 2004
• Q: I was wondering if you could use luring tactics and move my guy and the opponents guy into another province and then use slaughter the scout to kill the opposing personality that I moved in, bowing my personality which I just moved in to the province or do I have to have a guy in that province before hand?
  A: You must bow a Personality who was in that battle beforehand. You cannot use the one who just moved in. Jeff Alexander, "rules for 23 Feb. 2004", 24 Feb 2004
• Q: Luring Tactics Tactical Battle: Move the performing Tactician you control and an opposing Personality from the current battle to an adjacent one.
  If you cancel or negate the movement of a Lion personality performing the action, does it cancel or negate the movement of the opposing Personality targeted?
  A: No. [DE p. 72] Jeff Alexander, "rules for 18-19 Feb. 2004", 20 Feb 2004
• Q: If I Luring Tactis my Tactician and an opposing Personally can I cancel my tactician's movement with the Right Hands reaction?
  A: Cancel, no. Negate, yes. Zen Faulkes, "Rules for 17 November 2003", 18 Nov 2003
• Q: If I play "Luring Tactics" with Akodo Tadenori and Hida Koun to another province, then "Slaughter the Scout" by bowing Tadenori and destroying Hida Koun.
  A: [Musical tones] Can't doOOOOOooo that... See Rules Archive, Slaughter the Scout. Zen Faulkes, "Rules for 2 November 2003", 2 Nov 2003
• Q: If you use Luring Tactics on an opposing personality and move him to an adjacent prov can you the bow that same personality to use slaughter the scout or do you have to have a personality already there?
  A: Another Personality must be in the battle (Rules Archive, Slaughter the Scout). Zen Faulkes, "Rules for 25 August 2003", 25 Aug 2003
• Q: Armour of the Mountains includes the text:
  "You may not move this Personality into or out of battles with actions."
  Does this make the personality an illegal target for Solitary Engagement or Luring Tactics?
  A: No. Those actions are playable, and, furthermore, will only move the other Personality. For Solitary Engagement, there will still be a challenge. Jeff Alexander, "post for 5 December 2002", 6 Dec 2002
• Q: 4) Regarding Luring Tactics: Can I have a Tactician personality use Luring Tactics to move to another province even if there is no opposing personality to drag with him?
  A: No. Luring Tactics targets "one of your Tacticians in this battle and an opposing Personality with an equal or lower Chi". Moving an opposing unit is not optional, so the action can't be taken if there aren't any. Jeff Alexander, "post for 21 October 2002", 22 Oct 2002
• Q: Question for the List: What happens when a Tactician with the Armor of the Mountains tries to use Luring Tactics? Is the action cancelled? Is the movement of your guy negated, but the other guy still moves? Can you just not use it at all? Inquiring minds want to know.
  A: Your movement is negated, but the other unit's is not. Jeff Alexander, "rules for 9 September 2002", 10 Sep 2002
• Q: Luring Tactics reads:
  Battle: Move one of your tacticians in this battle and an opposing personality to an adjacent battle. This is considered use of the Tactician trait.
  Do you have to move both personalities to the same province?
  A: Yes. Jeff Alexander, "post for 10 June 2002", 11 Jun 2002
• Q: Opponent plays Luring Tactics, can I play Test of Courage to keep my personality in the battle?
  A: Yes.
  Since A Test of Courage cancels the action entirely, neither Personality would move, plus the Luring Tactics would not count against the Tactician's one use of that trait this battle. Jeff Alexander, "post for 22 March 2002", 23 Mar 2002
• Q: Battle at province A resolves with Attacker killing Defenders personality but not destroying the province. Attacker goes home bowed (No Rally Cry).
  Battle at Province B starts. Defender does nothing for 1st action. Attackers 1st action is Luring Tactics moving one of his units and one of the defenders units to another province.
  Can the Luring Tactics move into the previously resolved battle at A?
  A: Yes. Jeff Alexander, "post for 28 February 2002", 1 Mar 2002
• Q: Luring Tactics brings up a point I'd like to confirm. Suppose a Tactician uses Luring Tactics to move himself and an opposing unit from point A to point B. Is the use of Tactician considered to occur in point A (where it originates, and the active battle) or point B (the destination)?
  A: Point A. See the separate note on "this battle" that I just sent. Jeff Alexander, "post for 22 February 2002", 23 Feb 2002
• Q: This is important when it interacts with 'Lion Scout', 'Luring Tactics' and an oponent's 'Fall on your Knees' (cancelling Lion Scout):
  Lion Scout: Reaction: Bow when one of your Lion Clan Personalities uses the Tactician trait. The Personality may use the trait one additional time this battle, but it must be a use he or she did not use previously this battle. Fall on Your Knees: Reaction: Play this card when a player plays a Reaction during the Battle Action Segment. Cancel that Reaction.
  A: I don't see what the problem is. You play Sup. Strat., you react with your own Lion Scout, and your opponent cancels the Scout's Reaction with Fall On Your Knees. It seems straightforward to me. Jeff Alexander, "post for 21 February 2002", 22 Feb 2002
• Q: Once a tactician moves an opposing Personality into a province with Luring Tactics, can he then bow and destroy the Personality with Slaughter the Scout as a reaction to the opposing Personality being dragged along into that battle?
  A: No. To play Slaughter you have to bow a Personality who was already in the battle being moved into. Jeff Alexander, "post for 23 January 2002", 24 Jan 2002
• Q: 4) Luring Tactics + Slaughter the Scout. Can I Luring Tactics to move my Tactician and an opposing person to another battle, then bow that same Tactician to play Slaughter the Scout and kill the guy I moved?
  A: No. The Personality you bow must be one who was already there, whether it be because he assigned there, moved there with an earlier action, or moved there as a result of an action which moves two units but explicitly moves one of them before the other. Jeff Alexander, "post for 13 December 2001", 14 Dec 2001
• Q: I saw a play the other day, and have a question. If I use luring tactics to draw an opponent's personality into a Sorrow's path, can he use a Test of Courage to cancel it?
  The new wording on a Test of Courage is: Reaction: Play this card when an action is moving one of your target Personalities out of battle. Cancel the action. You cannot bow the Personality to take actions or target the Personality with actions until after the turn."
  The phrase "When an action is moving one of your target Personalities OUT OF BATTLE" is the confusing one. Does moving one of his units from one battle to another activate the trigger? He actually isn't being removed from battle, just to another one.
  A: Since it's ambiguous, I'm going to rule that it should be read as "out of A battle" based on the original wording of the card. Jeff Alexander, "post for 9 October 2001", 9 Oct 2001
• Q: If I'm right, with the new MRP, cards like Luring Tactics may be cancelled by "A Test of Courage". i.e. I play Luring Tactics over my tactitian to move him and an opponent unit to an adjacent battle. My opponent may play A Test of Courage to cancel my action, can't he?
  A: Sure. When *wasn't* this legal? Vaughn Derderian, "Rules for August 22nd, Part Two", 22 Aug 2001
• Q: In a message dated 3/10/01 12:40:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, writes:
  If a battle has been ended "without resolution" by a card or game effect, can a unit be moved into that same province [...]
  Yes.
  [...] and begin a second battle during the same attack phase?
  No. Each Province's battle can be started only once per Attack Phase.
  OK. Another two questions. 1) Why does the ruling for Luring Tactics specify a "resolved battle" ?
  A: Unfortunately, the word "resolve" is being used here in the context of "the attacking player decides which battle to resolve next". It's a slightly overloaded term. A better word would be "processed", or even better than that: "finished". Jeff Alexander, "Rulings for 7-9 March 2001", 18 Mar 2001
• Q: 2) What happens when you Luring Tactics into a province that has had a battle that did not resolve?
  A: The same as if it had moved there via Superior Tactics. I'd think the purpose of this ruling is self-evident: to address units that find themselves still at Provinces with finished but unresolved battles and make sure they don't end up staying in that battle for the rest of the game. Vagueries in wording aren't going to matter in this case. Jeff Alexander, "Rulings for 7-9 March 2001", 18 Mar 2001
• Q: Given the new wording for iajutsu duel, is it considered a targeted effect? What about Luring Tactics? thanks.
  A: Umm...both of them are targeted. You're welcome! Vaughn Derderian, "Rules for", 12 Jan 2001
• Q: Scenario 1: Player A has two provinces, and one tactician.
  Player B has two really big units.
  During B's turn, he declares an attack on A, and assigns a unit to each province (called 1 and 2). Player A defends with his one tactician at province 1.
  Player B choses to resolve the battle at 2 first. Player A plays Luring Tactics and brings the unit from the battle at 1 into 2. (remember that "This battle" and "the current battle" are not synonymous; see http://www.planet.net.au/~zfaulkes/rulings.html#Battle; I mentioned this because of the wording of the card.) Player B passes. Player A then plays Superior Tactics and goes back to the battle at province 1 (thereby delaying his doom for another turn.)
  A: You can't use Luring Tactics targeting a Tactician who isn't in the battle currently being resolved. Any action that targets something in 'this battle' has to target something in the battle currently being resolved. However, the reason that the above ruling exists is so that actions which are only usable during 'this battle' are not usable during the battle currently being resolved if the card isn't actually at the battle.
  For example, Daikua. Daikua's ability is only usable if Daikua is actually at the battle in question. If his ability affected the battle currently being resolved, then he could use it no matter where he was. Vaughn Derderian, "Rules for December 18th", 18 Dec 2000
• Q: Scenario 2:
  In this scenario, it's the same as the above, except player 2 resolves the battle at 1 first. B does Luring Tactics again, moving both of the units to the battle at 2 as before. The battle at 1 resolves and nothing happens. Then, at the battle at 2, B again Superior Tactics back into the battle at 1 (since, as per the rulings, a resolved battle is still a battle until the Attack Phase ends). B has again bought a turn to live.
  A: This situation is perfectly legit, and a good use of Luring Tactics. Rock on. Vaughn Derderian, "Rules for December 18th", 18 Dec 2000
• Q: 2) Do Moto Chargers gain +2F when moved due to using: a) Luring Tactics? b) Tactical Maneuvers?
  A: Yes to both. Vaughn Derderian, "Rules for November 26th", 26 Nov 2000