Ogre Bushi

Legend of the Five Rings card from Diamond Edition, Pre-Imperial Edition, Imperial Edition, Emerald Edition, Battle of Beiden Pass, Obsidian Edition, Jade Edition, Gold Edition, Pearl Edition, Training Grounds, Ivory Edition, Onyx Edition, Shattered Empire, Anvil of Despair, Honor Bound, Ambition's Debt, Heaven & Earth, An Oni's Fury, Promotional–Ivory

Card Type

Personality

Force

6

Chi

4

Honor Requirement

-

Gold Cost

9

Personal Honor

0

Clan

Unaligned

Keywords

Nonhuman, Ogre, Shadowlands

Card Text

Cannot attach Armor or Followers.

Legality

A Brother's Destiny (Ivory Edition), A Brother's Destiny (Twenty Festivals), Clan Wars (Imperial), Four Winds (Gold), Hidden Emperor (Jade), Rain of Blood (Diamond), Shattered Empire, War of the Seals (Onyx Edition)

Deck

Dynasty

Printings

Rulings

• Q: I have a Ninja Shapeshifter, initially 2F/2C with a +2/+2 weapon token, and I want him to copy an Ogre Bushi's Force of 6. That means the Ninja becomes a total 8F/4C creature, right? Six Force from the Ogre, plus two from the weapon? A: Actually, no. Check out p. 32 again: "If a card copies a value from another card, the current value of the card being copied replaces the current value of the copying card." The important phrase is "current value", which is the base value plus al/ modifiers. The current value of your Ninja's Force before the shapechange is 4: a base of 2 plus 2 for the weapon. After the change it's 6, since that's what the Ogre's current Force is. Since this 6 is now the Ninja's current Force, we don't add anything to it -- "current value" already includes all bonuses and penalties. If your NSS has any kind of a weapon, you'll almost always end up in a situation where The Whole Is Not Equal to The Sum of the Parts if you copy someone else's Force or Chi. In our example above, the +2F from his own sword apparently disappears. The sword doesn't change from a +2/+2 weapon into something else, nor does the NSS's base Force of 2 change. What does happen when you copy a stat is that you stop using basic math to figure his total and just use the copied value on faith (plus or minus any further changes that happen after the shapeshift, of course). That's ninja trickery for you. Legend of the Five Rings FAQ, Version 3.6.2, May 1998, p. 23

Rules Q&A

• Q: So the crazy Russian in our group asked me this...
  I'm playing with Ki-Rin. My opponent Kolat Master's the Ki-Rin. My opponent then attacks me with an Ogre Bushi and the Ki-Rin. I play Loyalty Renewed on the Ki-Rin. What happens to the Ogre Bushi?
  A: Nothing. By extension of this ruling:
  Ki-Rin * Only prevents assigning and moving into Provinces. Personalities dishonored during the battle do not leave. [JA, 11 September 2001]
  The Ogre stays in the battle, regardless of whether or not control of the Ki-Rin changes. Vaughn Derderian, "Post for July 15th, 2003", 15 Jul 2003
• Q: After reading the ruling in this thread: Cavalry Escort and Ogre Bushi/Hida Zaiberu
  Doesn't the above ruling contradict with this thread's ruling: Re: Cavarly Escort?
  <Re: Cavarly Escort> thread's ruling was made 5 days after the ruling on the <Cavalry Escort and Ogre Bushi/Hida Zaiberu> thread's ruling. Since it was ruled that "Equiping is not the same as Attaching", would this mean Ogre Bushi and/or Hida Zaiberu get keep the Cavalry Escort follower on either of these two personalities when using this follower's ability?
  A: No, Ogre Bushi nor Hida Zaiberu would not be able to keep a Cavalry Escort that brought them into play.
  I'm sorry, but I see no contradiction in the two rulings. Brook Cunningham, "Re: Cavalry Escort and Ogre Bushi/Hida Zaiberu", 4 Jun 2014
• Q: Can Cavalry Escort's action be used on Personalities that can't equip Followers?
  A: Yes. The clause of the Good Faith Rule from Emperor Edition that would have prevented this has gone away under Ivory Edition rules.
  Note that the Cavalry Escort is discarded after it fails to be attached to the Personality, so it's not a reusable ploy! Alex Jones, "Cavalry Escort and Ogre Bushi/Hida Zaiberu", 29 May 2014
• Q: If I have Ogre Bushi out with the Family Sword attached can I use its action to transfer the sword to Ogre Bob?
  Thanks in advance.
  A: Since you asked for it, Az, here's the plain English version:
  "Ogre" is the name of the species, it's not a family name.
  (I could also point out that "Bushi" is an occupation, so neither part of the card's title fits the "Family Name + Given Name" format.) Alex Jones, "Ogre Bushi + Family Sword", 9 May 2014
• Q: The cards Ogre Mage and Ogre Bushi, are they considered Ogres for the Spawning Pits stronghold ability?
  A: Yes (Keyword rule). Zen Faulkes, "Couple of Questions again", 9 Apr 2005