Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple

Legend of the Five Rings card from Wrath of the Emperor

Card Type

Holding

Gold Cost

4

Keywords

Singular, Temple

Card Text

Your Provinces have +1 strength while you are a Unicorn Clan player.
w: Produce 3 Gold.
Tireless Reaction: Before another player's action targets one of your Personalities, give him +1F/+1C.

Legality

Rain of Blood (Diamond)

Deck

Dynasty

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: I want to understand how Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple’s Reaction happens.
  A: As Jeff noted, it would have been easier to explain had the Reaction been timed "after" rather than "before" targeting. Regardless, the end result is the same.
  1.) The player announced Kolat Assassin. 2.) The player nominates your Personality to be the target of Kolat Assassin. - You React, "Before" he is considered targeted by Kolat Assassin, by giving him +1/+1 with the Temple. (Before) - The Personality is now considered "targeted" with the Temple (the other player doesn't get to remake his choice). (When( - You can now take "after" targeting Reactions (like Balance in Nothingness). (After) 3.) The player must pay the cost of Kolat Assassin (10 Gold) 4.) The player goes to resolve the effect of Kolat Assassin, but the effect is Negated because the Personality had 5 Chi before any effects of Kolat Assassin resolved. Martin Lund, "Rules for 10 September 2004", 13 Sep 2004
• Q: Hello,
  I have posted a question 1 Sep 2004 and I miss a answer for it. The question was forwarded from Marty to Jeff Alexander. Jeff have done some explanation these days about triggers, reactions, before, after,... but no a direct answer to my question.
  Then, I have to re-ask it:
  I have two scenarios involving Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple’s Reaction
  A) I have a Personality with 4C, no Retainers in play. My opponent has no Personalities. He want to play a Kolat Assassin. I use the Reaction of Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple and becames an ilegal target. What happens?
  A.1. Because is an ilegal action the Kolat Assassin remains in hand, no costs are produced neither paid. A.2. The Kolat Assassin is discarded, and 10G cost must be paid. A.3. The Kolat Assassin is discarded, but no Gold is involved. A.4. Other. Please, explain.
  A: 4. Kolat Assassin is played and must be paid for, but has no effect on the target that is now 5C. [DE p. 75] Martin Lund, "Rules for 9 September 2004", 13 Sep 2004
• Q: B) I have a Personality with 4C and a Retainer in play. My opponent has no Personalities. He wants to play a Kolat Assassin.
  B.1. I may play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple. My opponent must choose the Retainer as target. B.2. I may play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple. Because the possible target was my Personality, the opponent must do the answer of the example A. B.3. I couldn’t play the Reaction on Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple, because I don’t know in advance if the Personality is the real future target of Kolat Assassin, or will be the Retainer. My opponent could target my Personality or the Retainer without problems. B.4. Other. Please, explain.
  A: 4. Kolat Assassin is played and must be paid for, but has no effect on the target that is now 5C. [DE p. 75] Martin Lund, "Rules for 9 September 2004", 13 Sep 2004
• Q: For instance, I have a Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple in play. On his turn, my opponent plays a Written in Blood targeting a 2C personality. react by using the Temple, giving the personality +1C until the end of turn. If both effects end at the same time, my personality won't die from having 0C at the end of the turn. But if they disappear separately, my opponent could choose to have the effects of the Temple ending first and thus killing my personality.
  A: Typically, simultaneous expiration of bonuses and penalties does not cause any conflicts. You do not have a "timing conflict" just because doing things sequentially in one order would cause a person to die of Chi-Death. All bonuses and penalties in this example expire at the same time and the Personality lives. No player gets any say in the matter. Martin Lund, "Rules for 8 September 2004", 10 Sep 2004
• Q: isn't the condition "before another player's action targets one of your Personalities" pretty much always occuring?
  A: No. "Before" and "After" triggers for Reactions always mean "immediately before" and "immediately after." Martin Lund, "Rules for 2 September 2004", 6 Sep 2004
• Q: A) I have a Personality with 4C, no Retainers in play. My opponent has no Personalities. He want to play a Kolat Assassin. I use the Reaction of Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple and becames an ilegal target. What happens?
  A: Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple as a weird wording. It tells you to do it - before - they get targeted. Normally, affects trigger When or After such a thing happens.
  I'm not quite sure how that meshes with the rest of the rules. It is a new card, and thusly I shall use this as an excuse to toss more work on Jeff's desk.
  Forwarded. Martin Lund, "Rules for 1 September 2004", 3 Sep 2004
• Q: I searched a few differant places, to no avail.
  If say my Benjiro is WiB'd and I react with the Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple, at the end of the turn, does the active player choose which wears off first, or do they happen at the same time, and Benjiro lives?
  I have seen the awnser before, but can not find it now.
  Thanks.
  A: They expire at the same time. There is no conflict between the two things happening at once, so it does not need to be sequenced. You go from 1 number with two effects modifying it to 1 number with no effects modifying it. Martin Lund, "Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple and chi penalties", 17 Mar 2005
• Q: If really Saori can do it with the actual errata text, Jeff are breaking one Accumulated Ruling, posted in the original question by Marty:
  RULING
  If one or more of an action's targets become illegal between when they are chosen and when the action begins to resolve, that action will not affect those targets. This remains true even if they become illegal, then return to being legal. [JA, 15 June 2004; 22 June 2004]
  This Ruling helps to solve some problems:
  1.- Shi-Tien Yen-Wang Temple and 4C Personality vs. Kolat Assassin
  Kolat Assassin targets 4C Personality
  If you give +1F/+1C with Temple --> 5C
  He is no legal target before Kolat Assassin's effects
  Kolat Assassin do nothing.
  Q1: What happens now?
  If the Ruling doesn't apply to Saori I must think it will never apply more to this example. Kolat Assassin kill 5C Personality. I am wrong?
  A: Actually, you're wrong. The same thing will happen that happened before:
  Personality does not die. The Kolat Assassin's player still loses 4 Honor, though, because this part of the action doesn't affect the Personality.
  There is still the rule on page 75 that when an action's target becomes illegal because of a Reaction, the action won't affect it. That rule is not going to change.
  At stake is the ruling that expands this existing rule to cover all situations where a target becomes illegal, not just those where a Reaction caused it. It looks elementary and basically sound on the surface, and some of its results are intuitive, but others aren't. I'd like it to make intuitive results every time, if that's possible without making things more confusing. If we can't, we'll change Saori's rewording. Jeff Alexander, "Re: Saori, breaking the rules and make a ruling", 5 Mar 2005