Temple to Shinsei

Legend of the Five Rings card from Celestial Edition, Honor Bound, Battle of Kyuden Tonbo, Lotus Edition, Samurai Edition, Training Grounds 2, War of Honor, Three Dynasties, Drums of War

Card Type

Holding

Gold Cost

3

Gold Production

2

Keywords

Temple

Card Text

w: Produce 2 Gold.
Limited, w: Bow your performing Monk or Shugenja Personality to gain 2 Honor.

Legality

Age of Enlightenment (Lotus), Destroyer War (Celestial), Hidden Emperor (Jade), Race for the Throne (Samurai), Three Dynasties

Deck

Dynasty

Printings

Rulings

• Erratum: Reads, "Temple to Shinsei 3G Bow this card: Produce 2 Gold. Limited: Target and bow a Monk Personality or Shugenja Personality you control, and bow this card: Gain 2 Honor." [MRP, Khan's Defiance, 22 January 2007] Rules Archive, August 18, 2007, p. 87
• Erratum: Reads, "Temple to Shinsei 3G Temple Bow this card: Produce 2 Gold. Limited: Bow this card and your target Shugenja or Monk Personality: Gain 2 Honor." [MRP, Celestial Edition, 29 June 2009] Comprehensive Rules, Celestial Edition, with specific card rulings, final version, February 2012, p. 156
• Erratum: Reads, “Temple to Shinsei Temple Bow this card: Produce 2 Gold. Limited: Bow this card and one of your target Monk or Shugenja Personalities: Gain 2 Honor.” [MRP, Samurai Edition, 25 July 2007] Comprehensive Rules, Samurai Edition, with specific card rulings, final version, May 2009, p. 160

Rules Q&A

• Q: Temple to Shinsei: If i bow a dishonored shugenja/monk to pay the cost of the honor gain, will it rehonor the personality instead?
  A: http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Physically_mark ... shonorable: "Before a player gains Honor from an action or trait that targeted, came from, or was performed by one or more of his or her dishonorable Personalities, the Personality is rehonored and the player does not gain the Honor."
  Yes. It targets the Personality. Zen Faulkes, "Temple to Shinsei and Dishonored Personalities", 2 Dec 2009
• Q: Temple to Shinsei says "target and bow a monk / shugenja personality you control and bow this card"
  A: Not according to the Samurai Edition printing, which, to the best of my knowledge, is most recent.
  http://rules.l5r.com/Rulings_T#Temple_to_Shinsei: "Bow this card and one of your target Monk or Shugenja Personalities." Zen Faulkes, "Kyuden Asako Reaction and Temple to Shinsei", 30 Nov 2008
• Q: Hello I've read http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=61135&p=781424&hilit=temple+to+Temple+to+Shinsei+#p781424, and I don't really understand one thing: Temple to Shinsei says "target and bow a monk / shugenja personality you control and bow this card: gain 2 honor". Don't you have to follow the order of the text, and therefore bow the monk first, before bowing the temple?
  A: You're correct that costs are paid in the order written. However, the most recent printing of Temple to Shinsei is not written as you say, and all cards are played according to their most recent printing (see Cardinal Rule #2).
  Temple to Shinsei currently reads, "Limited: Bow this card and one of your target Monk or Shugenja Personalities: Gain 2 Honor." (Citation) Brook Cunningham, "Kyuden Asako Reaction and Temple to Shinsei", 30 Nov 2008
• Q: I understand this ruling http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=61135&p=781424&hilit=temple+to+Temple+to+Shinsei+#p781424
  but i was wondering if you had a bow person, you used temple to shinsei's limited action, reaction of Kyuden Asako goes off, straighten him and then bow him to pay the rest of the cost?
  temple to shinsei does not say it has to be a unbowed guy.
  A: Looks good to me.
  In the "Required Targeting" step you target your bowed shugenja*; in "Pay costs" you bow the Temple to Shinsei, react with the stronghold to straighten the shugenja, then bow him to pay the cost of the action.
  Alex
  (*) Technically, you need to invoke Good Faith here. Alex Jones, "Kyuden Asako Reaction and Temple to Shinsei", 23 Apr 2008
• Q: RE: This.
  I believe the first answer above is not correct.
  Test Actions from E&JC read, roughly, "Show a card and target a Personality". The question was as to whether the card was shown before the Personality was targeted. Zen answered by quoting the CR that "Mandatory costs are paid in the order written."
  However, in the CR under "Abilities and Actions", targeting (including required targeting in the contraints block) happens in the Targeting step, which is prior to the Pay Costs step, during which non-targeting costs (such as showing the card) would happen. I assume this takes precedence over "pay in the order written", which is needed to clarify the order of multiple costs that are not only targeting (for example, Temple to Shinsei says "Bow this card and one of your target Shugenja or Monks...", so you would first target the Monk in the Targeting step, then pay the costs in the Pay Costs step in order, bowing first the Temple, then the Monk you targeted.)
  A: We finally have fixed some mod issues, so you may be seeing more follow-up posts merged into one thread in future.
  See MacBeth2001's post. Zen Faulkes, "RE: Test of X (E&JC)", 21 Dec 2007
• Q: Link. If multiple costs are demanded by a single piece of text, they are paid simultaneously.
  How does one go about judging the length of a "single piece of text" ?
  (brought up because of misunderstandings regarding Temple to Shinsei & Kyuden Asako)
  A: "Bow two personalities" is a single piece of text. They both bow simultaneously. "Bow this card and bow one of your Monk or Shugenja" is two pieces of text. "This card" bows first, then the Monk or Shugenja bows second. Chris Fuchs, "Costs: Mandatory costs; Special Wording Rules: Pronouns", 17 Sep 2007
• Q: Strike of the Dragon pt1a & pt1b Strike of the Dragon pt2
  (Strike of the Dragon) Kiho Battle: Bow one of your Rings and one of your target Monks: Bow one to three target Personalities opposing him, each with Force higher than his own Chi.
  Taking it in sequence, without seperating the distinct parts of cost/effect sentences:
  Kiho Battle: Bow one of your Rings and one of your target Monks: (singular, costs target) Bow one to three target Personalities (plural, effects target(s)) opposing him, (masculine, singular, pronoun, cost target reference) each (non-pronoun, multiple, effect target reference) with Force higher than his (masculine, singular, Ruled: effects target reference?) own Chi.
  In order to find where the Rules Team are coming from, some of my local playgroup & I proposed different reasons to support the current ruling: 'Each' implies pronoun, therefore it is the last possible thing mentioned that 'his' could refer to. Unable to find anything to support this. 'His' & 'own', together, implies reference to 'each'. Again, unable to find anything that directly supports this. Removing or adding 'own' in this case does not appear to change the meaning of the text definitively, except to emphasise the alternating singular & plural references. I believe if this were the right method of parsing, then the text would say 'their own' instead of 'his own', in order to precisely specify that it is the one to three effects target(s) that are being referred to.
  Which specific rules are the Rules Team are using to parse this card & work out which reference relates to each target? (if they are different to the rules I am looking at in order to understand the card, I wish to know. This was the case with Temple to Shinsei + Kyuden Asako)
  A: The whole sentence after "one to three target personalities" defines what a legal target is. Each target must be opposing your performing personality, and each target must have force higher than his own chi, referring to the target. Chris Fuchs, "Strike of the Dragon pt3", 17 Sep 2007
• Q: I used the quick search box on top of the forum to look this up and didn't find anything, so I thought I'd ask (Is there a more thorough search engine on the boards, or is that one sufficient?).
  Kyuden Asako: "Reaction: After one of your Temples bows: Straighten one of your target Shugenja or Monks."
  Temple to Shinsei: "Limited: Bow this card and one of your target Monk or Shugenja Personalities: Gain 2 Honor."
  It's been brought to my attention that, after a player bows a shugenja to use Temple to Shinsei's Limited action, he can't actually react with his stronghold to straighten that shugenja. Is that really true? Have I been misplaying these cards the whole time?
  A: Your Temple is already bowed by the time you pay the cost of bowing the shugenja, so your reaction window to straighten a shugenja has passed. Chris Fuchs, "Kyuden Asako Reaction and Temple to Shinsei", 1 Sep 2007
• Q: My stronghold is Kyuden Asako and I want to play a Spell with a gold cost of 4. I bow a Temple to Shinsei to produce 2 gold and as a Reaction straighten Chinatsu. Can I then use Chinatsu's Reaction for the same payment?
  A: Yes. Zen Faulkes, "Simultaneous gold cost payment", 16 Aug 2007