Tsubo the Drunk

Legend of the Five Rings card from Promotional–Celestial

Card Type

Personality

Force

0

Chi

2

Honor Requirement

-

Gold Cost

4

Personal Honor

0

Clan

Unaligned

Keywords

Ronin, Sake Addict, Samurai, Washed Up

Card Text

After Tsubo enters play: Give him 5 +1F Sake tokens.
If Tsubo ever has no Sake tokens: He is sober; destroy him.
After your Events Phases ends: Remove a Sake token from Tsubo.

Legality

Destroyer War (Celestial)

Deck

Dynasty

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: I saw a few question regarding Tsubo and other Sake token, but nothing regarding Justly Earned Victory.
  The situation I am curious about is when Tsubo comes into play, he gains 5 +1 Force Sake tokens. I remove one per his text, then use Alone with One's Thoughts to add 3 more Sake tokens. I proceed to attack with him and my opponent plays Justly Earned Victory during the battle. I believe the three tokens added from Alone with One's Thoughts are the only tokens negated since the original four remaining tokens came from a trait, not an action. Is this correct?
  Also, do I remove the original tokens every turn first? Am I able to choose what Sake token to remove as it simply says Sake token?
  Thank you for your time.
  A: Justly Earned Victory negates the force bonuses only from tokens created by actions, not by traits.
  You may remove any Sake token on Tsubo for his trait - including ones created by Humble House, which will not then require another Sake token to be removed. Alex Jones, "Tsubo the Drunk and Justly Earned Victory", 2 Jun 2011
• Q: I'm confused by the ruling made in reference here:
  http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=82388
  this seems to state that one can tell the difference between X tokens after they've been given, ie a +1 Sake token (tsubo) and +1 Sake token (humble house)- this doesn't make sense to me as the tokens given are not specifically indicated as being different. How can i tell the difference between tokens once they are added (i don't mean visually of course)
  it seems to me that tsubo would still lose 2 tokens after the event phase: 1 from the humble house and 1 from his card effect as the game should not be able to tell the difference bewteen 2 identical tokens. your ruling seems to indicate otherwise. could this be clarified abit further. thank you for your time.
  Humble House Bow this card: Produce 3 Gold. Limited: Bow this card: Target a Personality. He visits a sake house. Give him a +1F Sake token. Remove it after your next Events Phase.
  Tsubo the Drunk 0/2 -/-4-0 Ronin * Samurai * Sake Addict * Washed Up
  After Tsubo enters play: Give him five +1F Sake tokens. If Tsubo ever has no Sake tokens: He is sober; destroy him. After each of your Events Phases: Remove a Sake token from Tsubo.
  edited for grammar
  A: Tsubo the Drunk does not care what Sake token is removed, just that one is.
  Humble House specifically refers to the Sake Token it created.
  If it is already removed via Tsubo's trait, then the delayed effect created by Humble House will simply fail.
  Happy drinking! Dan Jacobson, "Humble House and Tsubo the Drunk", 16 Mar 2010
• Q: Humble House Bow this card: Produce 3 Gold. Limited: Bow this card: Target a Personality. He visits a sake house. Give him a +1F Sake token. Remove it after your next Events Phase.
  Tsubo the Drunk 0/2 -/-4-0 Ronin * Samurai * Sake Addict * Washed Up
  After Tsubo enters play: Give him five +1F Sake tokens. If Tsubo ever has no Sake tokens: He is sober; destroy him. After each of your Events Phases: Remove a Sake token from Tsubo.
  The question: Can the Sake token that is removed by Tsubo, be one gained via Humble House? Because of being the active player, you would choose which is removed first, and both say to remove it/a Sake token "after your Events Phase" either each of yours or your next.
  A: Yes.
  See Timing Sequence: If two or more reactions, triggered traits, or rules procedures are triggered at the same point in time, follow this sequence from A through C to decide their order. ... B. Anything that is triggered at this point but is not a Reaction happens now. This includes triggered traits, delayed effects, indefinite conditional effects, triggered rulebook effects (such as losing Honor after a dishonourable Personality is destroyed). If more than one of these things conflict, the active player decides the order in which they happen.
  Removing the Sake token created by Humble House is a delayed effect, and Tsubo has a triggered trait that removes a Sake token; these both have the same timing point ("after your Events Phase") and both fall under step B so the active player decides which happens first. Alex Jones, "Humble House and Tsubo the Drunk", 15 Mar 2010