Unnatural Flood
Legend of the Five Rings card from Emperor Edition, Empire at War
Open in Oracle of the Void
- Card Type
- Spell
- Gold Cost
- 0
- Keywords
- Unique, Water
- Card Text
- Battle: Bow this Shugenja and target an enemy Personality: Move him home; if this Shugenja is Water, this movement will not be negated. If the target moved, bow him and negate his (future) movement.
- Focus Value
- 4
- Legality
- Age of Conquest (Emperor), Destroyer War (Celestial)
- Deck
- Fate
Printings
Emperor Edition
- Rarity
- Rare
- Flavor Text
- "When the enemy cannot be broken, find a way to prevent him from arriving at the conflict." - Tangen's Lies
- Artist
- Stefano Baldo
- Card Number
- 260
- Publisher
- Alderac Entertainment Group
Empire at War
- Rarity
- Rare
- Flavor Text
- "The longer they remain in the Empire, the more kami they enslave." - Kuni Kiyoshi
- Artist
- Stefano Baldo
- Card Number
- 107
- Publisher
- Alderac Entertainment Group
Rules Q&A
- Q: I feel like this answer, particularly the "Neither Shadow's Lair nor Unnatural Flood will be negated in this manner" part, is confusing.
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=97552
It was my understanding that playing Effortless Counterattack on Unnatural Flood (as performed by a water shugenja) would NOT negate the movement, but it WOULD negate the clause that negates further movement this turn (thus giving you a reason to play EC against UF, so that your guy can move back/elsewhere).
Is that correct, or am I off?
(edited to include link to original)
A: Fair enough. I updated the other response; you were interpreting the situation correctly. Jon Palmer, "Negation", 23 Apr 2012 - Q: Battle: Bow this Shugenja and target an enemy Personality: Move him home; if this Shugenja is Water, this movement will not be negated. If the target moved, bow him and negate his (future) movement.
it will negate all futre movements or just one?
A: The negation effect doesn't specify an expiration time, so the effect will last until end of turn by default, and negate any attempts at movement until then. Ben Higgins, "Unnatural Flood", 19 Apr 2012 - Q: Can Mastering the Elements copy a unique spell like Unnatural Flood?
A: Yes, indeed.
No Rule or any card text prevents that. Brook Cunningham, "Mastering the Elements and Unique Spells", 13 Feb 2012 - Q: Is the "Will not be negated" an effect of Unnatural flood(?)
A: It's a condition modifying an effect than an effect in its own right. Zen Faulkes, "Bayushi Jou and Unnatural Flood", 21 Feb 2011 - Q: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=89049
Quote from Zen:
It will now negate the rest of Unnatural Flood. The very first effect -- move Jou home -- is negated.
Except card text on natural flood (emphasis mine):
Move a target enemy Personality home; if this Shugenja is Water, this movement will not be negated.
How can an effect that will not be negated be negated?
A: Whoops! I misread the two conditions. Sorry.
So the movement from Unnatural flood happens, but everything after that does not. Zen Faulkes, "Bayushi Jou and Unnatural Flood", 21 Feb 2011 - Q: If a player chooses to not lose the 2 honour to Bayushi Jou's Reaction ability when targeting her with an Unnatural Flood, does her negation negate Unnatural Flood's "will not be negated" stopping her being sent home, or will she simply move home unbowed?
A: Unnatural Flood targets Jou. No effects have happened.
Jou's Reaction happens. It will now negate the rest of Unnatural Flood. The very first effect -- move Jou home -- is negated.
Jou did not move. so the remaining conditional effects of Unnatural Flood do not apply. Zen Faulkes, "Bayushi Jou and Unnatural Flood", 20 Feb 2011 - Q: In the case of Kuon being the only personality in an army and Unnatural Flood being the first action that targets him (coming from a Water Shugenja), would Kuon be moved home or not?
I'm not really sure of how this case works, the spell reads "this movement will not be negated" and Kuon reads "the action's (remaining) effects do not happen", so what will trump the other and why?
Thanks,
Javier
A: Effects with "do not" wording work very similar to negation, but are not considered "negation".
http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Effects#.E2.80.9CDoes_not.2FWill_not.22_versus_Negation: "The main difference between the two is that in the card set, negation effects are sometimes specifically prevented with wording such as "will not be negated," whereas there is no such wording to prevent "does not" effects as a specific category."
Therefore, Kuon's trait WILL make Unnatural Flood's effects fail, even if it's performed by a Water shugenja. Brook Cunningham, "Unnatural Flood vs Hida Kuon (Experienced 6)", 28 Nov 2010