Veiled Menace
Legend of the Five Rings card from Emperor Edition, Death at Koten, Three Dynasties
Open in Oracle of the Void
- Card Type
- Strategy
- Gold Cost
- 0
- Keywords
- Political
- Card Text
- Open: Choose your performing unbowed Courtier and target a dishonorable Personality: His controller loses 2 Honor. After each time he is assigned (this turn), his controller loses 1 Honor.
- Focus Value
- 2
- Legality
- Age of Conquest (Emperor), Destroyer War (Celestial), Race for the Throne (Samurai), Three Dynasties
- Deck
- Fate
Printings
Emperor Edition
- Rarity
- Uncommon
- Flavor Text
- "I think you may wish to choose your words more carefully. We all know how dangerous a misspoken word in court can be."
- Artist
- IFS
- Card Number
- 386
- Publisher
- Alderac Entertainment Group
Death at Koten
- Rarity
- Fixed
- Flavor Text
- "I think you might be wise to find a different court next season, my friend. You seem to be making enemies here."
- Artist
- IFS
- Card Number
- 75
- Publisher
- Alderac Entertainment Group
Three Dynasties
- Rarity
- Fixed
- Artist
- IFS
- Card Number
- 469
- Publisher
- Onyx Lives
- Publisherurl
- https://sites.google.com/view/the-onyx-lives-project/home
Rules Q&A
- Q: I always try to be within the rules to help out my friends and our good noobs. So, you'll see me here asking a lot kind of question. Sorry 'bout this.
A: No problem. It's our job to answer, after all. Brook Cunningham, "Difference between Daigotsu (Exp. 3) 'n Veiled Menace", 9 Jul 2009 - Q: Now, to the question:
Why is Daigotsu's ability not ending at the end of the turn (assuming he negates de personality's death somehow) and Veiled Menace (viewtopic.php?f=59&t=77251) does?
A: Effects with an ongoing duration end at the end of turn by default. Veiled Menace creates an ongoing effect of (in the roughest terms) "each time X happens, Y happens". Instantaneous effects, like the change of control brought on by Daigotsu, have no duration. Therefore, they also have no duration that can expire. Now, the "Y happens" in my rough example might be (and in the case of Veiled Menace, IS) an instantaneous effect, but the effect that is causing it to periodically occur has a duration that ends. Brook Cunningham, "Difference between Daigotsu (Exp. 3) 'n Veiled Menace", 9 Jul 2009 - Q: I always thought that only effects that changes stats or "orientation" (bowed, unbowed, dishonored...) of a Personality or that gives a new ability needed to be phrased "until the end of the game" to not end at the turn.
A: It's here that you're apparently muddied up. Changes to stats, like Force or Chi bonuses or penalities, are ongoing and may have a duration. Changes like bowing, dishonoring, gains/losses of Honor and changing control are all instantaneous and never "expire"; it would take another, separate effect to "undo" them (which, in the case of bowing, is why we have a Straighten Phase at all).
I hope that all helps clarify the matter for you. Brook Cunningham, "Difference between Daigotsu (Exp. 3) 'n Veiled Menace", 9 Jul 2009