Vision of P'an Ku

Legend of the Five Rings card from Stronger Than Steel

Card Type

Strategy

Gold Cost

0

Keywords

Kiho

Card Text

Battle/Open: Choose your performing unbowed Monk or Shugenja Personality and target another player's non-Unique Personality: Permanently raise the performer's Force, Chi, or Personal Honor to equal the same stat of the target.

Focus Value

1

Legality

Race for the Throne (Samurai)

Deck

Fate

Printings

Rules Q&A

• Q: Relevant card text: ==================================== Vision of P'an Ku Kiho Battle/Open: Target one of your unbowed Shugenja or Monk Personalities: Raise his Force, Chi or Personal Honor to the value of the same stat on another player's target non-Unique Personality. This bonus is permanent.
  Yin and Yang Open: Show your hand (to all players): Target a Personality. He has a minimum Chi of 1 until after the turn ends. Give him -3F/-3C. ====================================
  My question is regarding the amount of bonus that Vision of Pan'ku provides a personality who is under the effects of force penalties whose total is greater than his base force.
  Example: Shiba Ujimitsu has 4f base I target him with three Yin and Yang resulting in a total penalty of -9f Adding his base plus penalties and bonuses totals -5. As per rules :: " A: Apply all current bonuses and penalties.
  B: If the total is below 0, treat it as 0."
  So we treat his force value as 0 Next, I set his force to that of a 4f personality. As per rules :: "Setting stats to a value: Various effects will set a stat to some particular value, such as effects that switch or copy stats. To set a stat to a value, give an appropriate bonus or penalty."
  An "appropriate value" would be +9f. This would "set" his force to the targets. The end of the turn comes and the -9f goes away but the +9 was permanent. Combo and turn end with a 13f Shiba Ujimitsu.
  This sequence is the intuitive way to play it, however there is an iffy interpretation.
  If we "treat" his force to be 0 when the total is -5, is an appropriate value when setting his force not +4? Leaving Shiba Ujimitsu still at a lowly 0f(-1f)
  I suppose the ambiguity is about what the rules "know"
  A: As you point out, a bonus of +4f is insufficient to raise his force to 4; a +9f bonus is what is "appropriate". Alex Jones, "Vision of Pan'Ku with penalties", 2 Jun 2008